Discussion. Première journée - article ; n°3 ; vol.6, pg 57-130

Georges Mond, Jerzy Starosciak, Gérard Timsit, Guy Braibant, Georges Dupuis, Lucien Nizard, Lucien Sfez, Francis Francisdebaecque, Jurij Jurija.Tikhomirov, Roland Drago, Charles Eisenmann, Nikola Stjepanovic, Janusz Borkowski, M. M.G.Kostadinov, István Kovacs, Danièle Loschak, André Molitor, Eugène Zaleski

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Revue d’études comparatives Est-Ouest - Année 1975 - Volume 6 - Numéro 3 - Pages 57-130
DISCUSSION — 1st day.
The International Seminar on Administrative Research in Europe, organized by Mr. Lesage was held on November 15-17, 1973, in the Conference Hall of the French National Center for Scientific Research (C.N.R.S.).
Both Eastern and Western European countries were largely and brilliantly represented: Belgium, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Federal Germany, Hungary, Poland, Rumania, U.K., U.S.S.R. and Yugoslavia. French specialists, mostly Jurists, but including civil servants, political representatives, and Sociologists were also numerous.
The initial presentations were made by the organizers of the seminar, and the first work session was subsequently opened under the presidency of Mr. Brai- bant on the theme Interdisciplinarity in Administrative Research.
The two reporters, despite the divergence in systems, often presented similar problems and solutions. The interventions, which in the course of the day were enflamed and often caustic but always enriching, converged around three themes: the present situation of Administrative Science and concrete experiments in interdisciplinarity; the aims of interdisciplinarity and the methods to employ; and the nature of Administrative Science itself.
Where is Administrative Science?
At present there is juxtaposition of the different sciences pertaining to administration, but a need for broader conceptualization and a more interdisciplinarity approach is felt.
This gives rise to certain problems. Epistomological obstacles were brought up by two reporters. The difficulty of decoding concepts and transcoding must not hamper research.
Having underlined the imbrication of scientific activities such as Planning, Economics, Administrative Law, Sociology, Psychology, Computer techniques, participants of the seminar related concrete experiments in interdisciplinary research conducted in their respective countries, describing difficulties encountered, the first reflex of self-defense, the need for strict methodology and finally the break through. They all agree that interdisciplinarity is an unquestionable contribution.
Interdisciplinarity also comes up against other obstacles of an institutional nature, compartmentation within faculties, in the administration and even within the National Center for Scientific Research.
International teams should be created so that problems may be invested with an international dimension. Research should also be conducted in different countries by mixed teams or based on a common subject.
The methodology to adopt was the subject of much debate. Methods must differ when they serve different points of view or when they apply to different objects.
Certain considered that collaboration between two teams, each having its own program, is perhaps less difficult. Others favored research on administration via mixed teams.
The Aims of Interdisciplinarity
In any case research work which answers the need of enlightenment concerning concrete phenomena should lead to conclusions having a theoretical character. Administrative Science must be endowed with conceptual and methodological unity.
The second aim of interdisciplinarity is to permit the exploration of fronteer regions. The problem of the existence of one Science or many, the favorable or unfavorable consequences of hybridism were issues for heated discussion.
In a successful effort to clarify the debate, the President remarked that, starting with research on interdisciplinarity we have arrived at the problem of the very existence and necessity of Administrative Science.
The Very Nature of Administrative Science and its object was the focal point of several interventions, certain considering that Administrative Science has no epistemological statute.
For several participants, set on defining its object, Administration is an instrument of the political apparatus, a bureaucracy, an organism for political representation of a certain clientele. Its role is to organize, therefore innovate. Administration must prepare solutions for the future bearing the social conscience in mind.
Interdisciplinary or pluridisciplinary research, Administrative Science or sciences? If no agreement was reached as to the nature of administrative research, the debates evidenced a common will to cooperate; the participants insisted on the need of establishing interdisciplinary or pluridisciplinary research, to be carried out by international teams or several national teams on a given subject.
Lucette KHAIAT
de la recherche administrative, les débats ont témoigné d'une volonté commune de coopérer ; les participants ont tous insisté sur la nécessité de mettre sur pied des recherches interdisciplinaires — ou pluridisciplinaires — qui seraient effectuées par des équipes internationales ou par plusieurs équipes nationales sur un sujet commun.
Lucette KHAIAT
74 pages
Source : Persée ; Ministère de la jeunesse, de l’éducation nationale et de la recherche, Direction de l’enseignement supérieur, Sous-direction des bibliothèques et de la documentation.

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• Sociologie, société et politique

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• Publié par: REVUE_D-ETUDES_COMPARATIVES_EST-OUEST
• Publié le: 01 janvier 1975
• Nombre de lectures: 21
• Langue: Français
• Poids de l'ouvrage: 4 Mo

Extrait

Monsieur Gérard Timsit
Guy Braibant
Georges Dupuis
Monsieur Lucien Nizard
Mr Lucien Sfez
Monsieur Francis De Baecque
Jurij A. Tikhomirov
Roland Drago
Monsieur Charles Eisenmann
E. Zaleski
Nikola Stjepanovic
Janusz Borkowski
M. G. Kostadinov
M. Istvan Kovacs
Georges H. Mond
Danièle Loschak
André Molitor
Jerzy Starosciak
Discussion. Première journée
In: Revue d'études comparatives Est-Ouest. Volume 6, 1975, N°3. pp. 57-130.
Citer ce document / Cite this document :
Timsit Gérard, Braibant Guy, Dupuis Georges, Nizard Lucien, Sfez Lucien, De Baecque Francis, Tikhomirov Jurij A., Drago
Roland, Eisenmann Charles, Zaleski E., Stjepanovic Nikola, Borkowski Janusz, Kostadinov M. G., Kovacs Istvan, Mond
Georges H., Loschak Danièle, Molitor André, Starosciak Jerzy. Discussion. Première journée. In: Revue d'études comparatives
Est-Ouest. Volume 6, 1975, N°3. pp. 57-130.
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/receo_0338-0599_1975_num_6_3_1984Abstract
DISCUSSION — 1st day.
The International Seminar on Administrative Research in Europe, organized by Mr. Lesage was held on
November 15-17, 1973, in the Conference Hall of the French National Center for Scientific Research
(C.N.R.S.).
Both Eastern and Western European countries were largely and brilliantly represented: Belgium,
Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Federal Germany, Hungary, Poland, Rumania, U.K., U.S.S.R. and
Yugoslavia. French specialists, mostly Jurists, but including civil servants, political representatives, and
Sociologists were also numerous.
The initial presentations were made by the organizers of the seminar, and the first work session was
subsequently opened under the presidency of Mr. Brai- bant on the theme "Interdisciplinarity in
Administrative Research".
The two reporters, despite the divergence in systems, often presented similar problems and solutions.
The interventions, which in the course of the day were enflamed and often caustic but always enriching,
converged around three themes: the present situation of Administrative Science and concrete
experiments in interdisciplinarity; the aims of interdisciplinarity and the methods to employ; and the
nature of Administrative Science itself.
Where is Administrative Science?
At present there is juxtaposition of the different sciences pertaining to administration, but a need for
broader conceptualization and a more interdisciplinarity approach is felt.
This gives rise to certain problems. Epistomological obstacles were brought up by two reporters. The
difficulty of decoding concepts and transcoding must not hamper research.
Having underlined the imbrication of scientific activities such as Planning, Economics, Administrative
Law, Sociology, Psychology, Computer techniques, participants of the seminar related concrete
experiments in interdisciplinary research conducted in their respective countries, describing difficulties
encountered, the first reflex of self-defense, the need for strict methodology and finally the break
through. They all agree that interdisciplinarity is an unquestionable contribution.
Interdisciplinarity also comes up against other obstacles of an institutional nature, compartmentation
within faculties, in the administration and even within the National Center for Scientific Research.
International teams should be created so that problems may be invested with an international
dimension. Research also be conducted in different countries by mixed teams or based on a
common subject.
The methodology to adopt was the subject of much debate. Methods must differ when they serve
different points of view or when they apply to different objects.
Certain considered that collaboration between two teams, each having its own program, is perhaps less
difficult. Others favored research on administration via mixed teams.
The Aims of Interdisciplinarity
In any case research work which answers the need of enlightenment concerning concrete phenomena
should lead to conclusions having a theoretical character. Administrative Science must be endowed with
conceptual and methodological unity.
The second aim of interdisciplinarity is to permit the exploration of fronteer regions. The problem of the
existence of one Science or many, the favorable or unfavorable consequences of "hybridism" were
issues for heated discussion.
In a successful effort to clarify the debate, the President remarked that, "starting with research on
interdisciplinarity we have arrived at the problem of the very existence and necessity of Administrative
Science."
The Very Nature of Administrative Science and its object was the focal point of several interventions,
certain considering that Science has no epistemological statute.
For several participants, set on defining its object, Administration is an instrument of the political
apparatus, a bureaucracy, an organism for political representation of a certain clientele. Its role is to
organize, therefore innovate. Administration must prepare solutions for the future bearing the social
conscience in mind.
Interdisciplinary or pluridisciplinary research, Administrative Science or sciences? If no agreement wasreached as to the nature of administrative research, the debates evidenced a common will to cooperate;
the participants insisted on the need of establishing interdisciplinary or pluridisciplinary research, to be
carried out by international teams or several national teams on a given subject.
Lucette KHAIAT
Résumé
de la recherche administrative, les débats ont témoigné d'une volonté commune de coopérer ; les
participants ont tous insisté sur la nécessité de mettre sur pied des recherches interdisciplinaires — ou
pluridisciplinaires — qui seraient effectuées par des équipes internationales ou par plusieurs équipes
nationales sur un sujet commun.
Lucette KHAIATDiscussion"
* Au cours du colloque, plus de cent interventions ont été prononcées. Etant donné
la place dont disposait la Revue, il n'a malheureusement pas été possible de les retenir
toutes. Que les participants veuillent bien nous en excuser. Discussion
Gérard TIMSFF
Je dois confesser que lorsque j'avais accepté de présenter ce rapport,
sur l'interdisciplinarité dans la recherche administrative, je ne pensais
en vérité pas que ce problème me ramènerait en fait au vieux débat
sur l'existence d'une ou des sciences administratives. Je vivais dans un
univers confortable où il me suffisait de constater que la recherche ad
ministrative existe et que, dans ces conditions, la science administrat
ive, elle, ne pouvait pas ne pas exister. Or, lorsque j'ai commencé
à étudier le problème, je me suis très tôt heurté à ce que Jacques
Prévert appelle « les terrifiants pépins de la réalité ». De quelle réalité
s'agissait-il donc? D'une réalité toute faite de paradoxes, et d'abord,
du premier d'entre eux qui consistait à constater qu'il existe une cer
taine contradiction à revendiquer simultanément ce que M. Langrod
appelle excellemment « une sorte de souveraineté épistémologique »
pour la science administrative — c'est-à-dire l'autonomie de la science
administrative — et à vouloir, en même temps, l'interdisciplinarité dans
la recherche administrative, c'est-à-dire l'intégration des disciplines
ayant pour objet l'étude de l'administration. Paradoxe, en effet, au
moins apparent, car de deux choses l'une : ou bien,
est nécessaire et c'est qu'il existe des disciplines séparées ayant pour
objet l'étude de l'administration : ou bien, il existe une science ad
ministrative autonome, « épistémologiquement souveraine », et l'on peut
s'interroger sur les justifications de l'interdisciplinarité.
Il fallait donc expliquer ces paradoxes. Il m% paru que l'explication
que l'on pouvait en présenter était la suivante : il existe peut-être —
c'est ce dont nous aurons à débattre — une corrélation entre l'acces
sion d'une science à l'autonomie et l'interdisplinarité des recherches
portant sur l'objet de cette science. L'interdisciplinarité est une condi
tion de la constitution d'une Or, la science administrative est
encore en gestation, encore en formation. Il n'est donc pas étonnant
que l'interdisciplinarité ne soit pas encore très répandue dans la re
cherche administrative. Si elle existait, cela impliquerait que la science
administrative est déjà parvenue à maturité, qu'elle est déjà une
constituée et qu'elle est déjà en train de franchir une autre étape dans
* Professeur des Facultés de droit. Directeur de la Recherche à l'Institut International
d'Administration Publique.
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la connaissance de l'administration. Apparemment, l'on en est l