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(These minutes are subject to correction and/or approval on December 7, 2004) MINUTES OF THE WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE, ARIZONA, HELD TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2004, AT 6:15 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 1. CALL TO ORDER AND ASCERTAIN QUORUM Chairman Betts called the work session to order at 6:15 p.m. Planning and Zoning Commission Members Present: Chairman Jim Betts, Vice Chairman Gretchen Forbeck, Luke Smith, Stephanie Irwin, Tim Williams and Brian Gilbert mission Members Absent: none Community Development Staff Present: Paul Esparza, Community Development Director 2. DISCUSSION Discussion was held concerning the Conditional Use Permit to be considered for up to six horses. Mr. Esparza stated that the owners currently live in the Country Club, but plan to build a house one lot over from where the horses will be corralled. Vice Chairman Forbeck asked if any cover for the horses was required. No shelter is required for horses. Discussion was held concerning fence height, corrals, and the number of horses allowed on the lot. Commissioner Gilbert stated he had attended the Boards and Commissions Workshop with Mr. Esparza. While there, he spoke to a zoning/land-use attorney for the State and was told that text amendments can go to referendum. He also talked to the Community Development Director of Peoria, AZ, and she felt the jury was still out on the issue. The big cities ...

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(These minutes are subject to correction and/or approval on December 7, 2004)
MINUTES OF THE WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF
THE TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE, ARIZONA, HELD TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2004,
AT 6:15 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
1.
CALL TO ORDER AND ASCERTAIN QUORUM
Chairman Betts called the work session to order at 6:15 p.m.
Planning and Zoning Commission Members Present: Chairman Jim Betts, Vice Chairman
Gretchen Forbeck, Luke Smith, Stephanie Irwin, Tim Williams and Brian Gilbert
Planning and Zoning Commission Members Absent: none
Community Development Staff Present: Paul Esparza, Community Development Director
2.
DISCUSSION
Discussion was held concerning the Conditional Use Permit to be considered for up to six horses.
Mr. Esparza stated that the owners currently live in the Country Club, but plan to build a house
one lot over from where the horses will be corralled. Vice Chairman Forbeck asked if any cover
for the horses was required. No shelter is required for horses. Discussion was held concerning
fence height, corrals, and the number of horses allowed on the lot.
Commissioner Gilbert stated he had attended the Boards and Commissions Workshop with Mr.
Esparza. While there, he spoke to a zoning/land-use attorney for the State and was told that text
amendments can go to referendum. He also talked to the Community Development Director of
Peoria, AZ, and she felt the jury was still out on the issue. The big cities are facing referendums
constantly. Discussion was held concerning the possibility of more referendums.
Mr. Esparza stated that he had met with Barbara Teague concerning the possible rezoning of
Pinetop Meadow.
3.
ADJOURNMENT
The Work Session was adjourned at 6:30 p.m.
/s/ Chairman Jim Betts
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING
COMMISSION OF THE TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE, ARIZONA, HELD
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2004, AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
1.
CALL TO ORDER TO ASCERTAIN QUORUM
Chairman Betts called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
Planning and Zoning Commission Members Present: Chairman Jim Betts, Vice Chairman
Gretchen Forbeck, Luke Smith, Stephanie Irwin, Tim Williams, and Brian Gilbert
Planning and Zoning Commission Members Absent: None
Community Development Staff Present: Paul Esparza, Community Development Director
2.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
3.
CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE WORK
SESSION AND MEETING HELD NOVEMBER 3, 2004.
Vice Chairman Forbeck moved to approve the minutes of the Work Session and Regular
Meeting held November 3, 2004. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Gilbert and
carried unanimously.
4.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
There was no public participation.
5.
PUBLIC HEARIG/CONSIDERATION/ACTION
RE: CUP-097
Public Hearing and consideration of a request for a Conditional Use Permit to
stable up to six horses on property located at 2870 E. Poplar Drive. The subject
parcel is 1.57 acres and is currently zoned R1-4. APN 211-35-018E. The applicant
is Roger Willis.
Mr. Esparza presented the Staff Report and stated that staff recommends approval of CUP-097,
to stable up to six horses with the following stipulations:
The applicant must comply with all requirements of the equine regulations including
minimum corral size and fence height.
The applicant must do regular maintenance of the corral enclosure to ensure there are no
negative impacts to adjacent properties.
The applicant will be subject to annual inspection by staff to ensure compliance with all
applicable regulations.
Dr. Willis, the applicant, explained the qualifications his wife has for caring for horses. The
property is currently undeveloped and unfenced.
Vice Chairman Forbeck asked whether or not there would be a covered area for the horses. Dr.
Willis stated that at this time they had no plans for a covered corral.
Vice Chairman Forbeck moved to go into Public Hearing at 6:41 p.m. The motion was seconded
by Commissioner Smith and carried unanimously.
Mr. James Aylor asked if there would be stallions or mares and also about the protection of the
trees. He stated that horses would eat the bark and thus possibly invite bark beetle infestation.
Mr. Aylor and Mrs. Aylor also questioned the possible pollution of Billy Creek. Mr. Aylor
stated that the whole meadow is quite wet in the winter and drains down into the creek. Mrs.
Aylor stated she was concerned about the manure going into Billy Creek. Mrs. Aylor also stated
her concern that the horses will eat the bark and open it up for an infestation of bark beetles. She
stated they were all on wells, except for one who has Pinetop Water. Mrs. Aylor stated she was
also concerned about the flies and the smell.
Mr. Esparza stated that the trees are not part of the corral area. Regarding the drainage, the
negative impacts to Billy Creek can be handled by proper cleanup. The creek does not run right
next to the property. There is no well on the property.
Mrs. Aylor asked how many horses Dr. Willis intends to have. Dr. Willis stated there would be
four horses on a regular basis. Mrs. Aylor asked if Dr. Willis intends to put a 6’ fence along the
property line or a lower fence back from the property line. Dr. Willis stated that if a 6’ fence was
required so that the horses could run free, then that is what they would do. The fence would be
made of metal wire (the kind with small squares). It would not be a barbed wire fence.
Mrs. Aylor stated that Pinetop Creek, which runs into Billy Creek, receives drainage from Dr.
Willis’ property.
Discussion was held concerning the size of the corral and whether it would be the smaller
enclosure or if the horses would have free run of the whole property, thus requiring a six-foot
fence around the whole property. It was agreed that if the horse were supervised they could then
run freely on the entire property. If they are not supervised, then the horses have to be in the
smaller corral.
At 7:09 Commissioner Williams moved to go out of Public Hearing. It was seconded by Vice
Chairman Forbeck and carried unanimously.
Further discussion was held concerning the horses being supervised or being allowed to run on
the whole property, but be in the smaller corral when no supervision is present. Dr. Willis stated
that if the horses started to eat the bark, they would protect the trees in some way to insure the
trees stay healthy. It was agreed that the horses must be in the smaller corral when no
supervision is present. The only time the horses can run free on the whole property is when there
is supervision present.
Vice Chairman Forbeck moved to approve CUP-097 to stable up to six horses on property
located at 2870 E. Poplar Drive, with staff recommendations and the understanding that the
horses are to be in the smaller corral when unsupervised. The motion was seconded by
Commissioner Irwin. Further discussion was held concerning maintenance. Commissioner
Smith questioned whether the smaller corral meets the space requirements for four horses and
Mr. Esparza stated that each horse must have a minimum of 1,200 sq. ft. The corral is 4,800 sq.
ft., which meets the minimum requirements. Commissioner Smith questioned whether the CUP
is for the whole parcel or just for the corral area. It was agreed that it was for the smaller corral,
but Dr. Willis could still only have a maximum of six horses whether it was for the whole
property or just the corral. The motion carried with five in favor and Commissioner Smith
voting against the Conditional Use Permit.
6.
DISCUSSION/CONSIDERATION
RE: PROPOSED HILLSIDE
DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE
Discussion on a proposed draft for a Hillside Development Ordinance to be added to
the current subdivision regulation
Mr. Esparza presented the staff report. The Town Engineer, Jim Matteson, adapted a proposed
draft for consideration, based on an Ordinance from Paradise Valley, AZ. Mr. Matteson
explained how he adapted the document to fit Pinetop-Lakeside. A hillside is defined as
anything greater than 10%.
Mr. Matteson reviewed the proposed ordinance to insure the Commission was aware of
significant areas in the document.
The Commission discussed possibly having a field trip to Elk Ridge and other hill lots. It was
agreed that the document needs to be studied more before any changes or additions are made.
Commissioner Gilbert suggested that the Council be included and be onboard with the ordinance
from the very beginning.
After a lengthy discussion, it was agreed to take a field trip to Elk Ridge and other hillside
development areas on Monday, November 29
th
from 4:00 to 6:30 p.m. After the field trip, the
Commission would hold a special work session concerning the ordinance.
7.
STAFF REPORT
Mr. Esparza reminded Commissioner Irwin and Commissioner Gilbert of the Council meeting on
Thursday, at which they should be reappointed and a new Commissioner appointed.
Mr. Esparza stated that a Planning Handbook is being copied for each Commissioner.
Mr.. Esparza updated the Commission on several projects.
8.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Smith moved to adjourn at 8:24 p.m. It was seconded by Commissioner Williams
and carried unanimously.
/s/ Chairman Jim Betts
CERTIFICATION:
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the
Regular Meeting of the Planning & Zoning Commission of the Town of Pinetop-Lakeside,
Arizona, held on the 16
th
day of November 2004. I further certify that the meeting was duly
called and held and that a quorum was present.
DATED the 17
th
day of November 2004.
/s/ Peggy Opp, Recording Secretary
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